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Ealing’s has its own Leftie, nutter headbanger

A local man is planning to bring the recent left-wing inspired rioting in central London to the streets of Ealing tomorrow. In today’s Evening Standard an Ealing man was quoted on yesterday’s student riots. Noel Doyle, apparently aged 30 and an ex-student at Cardinal Wiseman in Ealing, condoned yesterday’s violence saying:

I see broken windows as being totally justified compared with the damage being done to the public sector. This is just the beginning.

The ends justify the means again. What a creep? From the way that the Evening Standard is reporting it seems that Doyle took part in yesterday’s riots. Doing a bit of research it appears he has an active Twitter account and is active in far left politics.

He does not admit on Twitter to being at the riots but he tweets admiringly about last night’s appalling mayhem.

Doyle seems to be an organiser for Ealing Alliance for Public Services (EAPS). This is the SWP related group that organised a meeting on 11th November in Acton where RMT’s bully boy Bob Crow and silly Ealing Labour councillor Daniel Crawford both spoke, see here.

It seems he has morphed his little, local EAPS event into a UK Uncut event, advertising it on the UK Uncut website. I suppose he hopes to attract SWP and various other hard left types to come to Ealing to swell the numbers.

Setting up stalls and dishing out leaflets is all very well. Trying “to close down the shops of tax avoiders, specifically Vodafone and Topshop” is just not legal. It is simply thuggery.

Maybe Doyle is a silly fantasist. Maybe he is something more dangerous. I hope that the recent thuggery does not come to Ealing tomorrow. The police have been informed.

19 replies on “Ealing’s has its own Leftie, nutter headbanger”

I’ve been predicting rioting on the streets now for a while.

Financial institutions have been out of control for quite a while now and should be rightly blamed for the cuts we are now seeing been made. Governments can’t or won’t punish Bankers – many of whom are ‘earning’ £1 million+ /year. This understandably makes people angry and they feel helpless as to how they can change things – especially if they fear losing their jobs.

The trebling of tuition fees will force students and their families into debt. Personal debt in the country is huge and over one third of all personal debt in Europe is here in the UK. Some young people and their families will quite understandably not want to incur this debt (or more debt) and will be angry about having to adopt this position.

Peaceful protest doesn’t seem to achieve anything – so some people think all that is left for them is non-peaceful protest.

I suspect not all these non-peaceful protestors are ‘silly fantasists’.

Sadly the press and other commentators have not done any serious research as to who the protestors are and what their motives are. Instead of droning on about Police inadequacies we should be trying to find out why people want to behead Charles and Camilla, smash windows at the Treasury, disrupt Phillip Green’s inadequately taxed businesses and smash up Tory Central Office.

Firstly I would like to thank Mr Taylor for taking time out of his busy schedule of cutting front line services and putting public sector employees out of work to write about me. My comment on twitter about the ‘wonderful riot’, was in hindsight ill considered and not thought through, as many tweets are. The point I was attempting to make and should have expressed was that the last month of protest has been the ‘wonderful’ political awakening of a generation. We have read and been told for years that today’s youth are only interested in their X boxes, X factor, their celebrities, consumerism and in becoming as rich and famous as quickly as possible. Instead the young people of Britain have shown their elders that they have well and truly cast aside the apathy that plagued the early noughties and have engaged with the political diaspora on the streets of the capital and beyond. It is this engagement by the young school students with politics that I wish to call wonderful and I am sure that Mr Taylor as somebody who is no doubt passionate about politics, would also welcome.

The Evening Standard quote Mr Taylor refers to was a slight misquote on what I said the quote I expected to appear was “the vandalism witnessed tonight is entirely insignificant compared to the vandalism of £80bn in public sector cuts”. The broken windows of Thursday were replaced by new ones on Friday, who will replace the hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost by loyal public servants. The graffiti sprayed on Thursday has already been cleaned, but who will clean the mess caused by thousands of young working class kids who are unable to attend university. Any damage done by protesters is purely superficial and easily fixed. The damage done by the austerity package of this coalition is far reaching and corrosive leading us to long term unemployment and the related social problems, it is these policies which are the violence and vandalism we need to be talking about.

Mr Taylor talks about last night’s ‘appalling mayhem’, I wonder which he finds more appalling Alfie meadows requiring brain surgery to save his life or paint being thrown at Prince Charles, I know which appals me. He also describes trying to close Topshop and Vodafone as thuggery. Yet it seems the loyal public servants of the Ealing Police-who will suffer just as much from the Conservative governments cuts package- do not seem to agree with this sentiment. The protest passed off completely peacefully with smiles and handshakes all round from the wonderful Police officers present. I wonder who the Police force view as thugs, those who protest against tax dodgers who suck money away from public services, or the party who cut the budget of the ministry of justice, instead of attempting to close the tax gap. The estimated sum of all tax avoidance, evasion and uncollected is £120bn a year, yet the Tory’s are cutting the budget of HMRC, while it is widely known that for every £1 invested in HMRC, £60 will be returned, surely this would be a great way to start cutting our deficit.

Again I Thank Mr Taylor for his comments and would hope in the future he steers away from petty name calling and engages in the political debate around the issues which affect us all.

When the government destroys futures windows are collateral damage.

You call him a nutter and a creep but to attack him like you have with such passion and poor evidence seems more disturbed.

Respect to the UK Uncut movement. Corporations who profit from society and don’t contribute to it should be shut down. It’s a shame the government aren’t the ones doing it.

You say “SWP related” as if they are an evil group. Where’s your evidence of Bob Crow being a ‘bully boy’? Why is Daniel Crawford ‘silly’? You say ‘hard left’ as if there is something innately wrong with it. The insinuation that Noel is doing something more dangerous is completely unfounded.

Must you inform the police if someone follows leftist ideologies? That I find the most ‘silly’ and worrying.

An unfounded rant seemingly written by a right-wing fanatical creep – to use your alarmist vocabulary.

Noel,

Thank you for commenting. I respect you for doing that.

I suggested that you might be a SWP activist. Are you? Are you allowed to say or as entryists are you required to keep your affiliation quiet? I don’t think Leftie (which is common usage by the way) is name calling. Is it not a fair description?

In your own words, which you now partially retract, you described Thursday as a “wonderful riot”. You did not say “wonderful demonstration”. In this context I might suggest that nutter headbanger is a fair description.

You might like to explain why UK Uncut is complaining about Philip Green’s £1.2 billion dividend which dates back to 2005? Why weren’t you trashing Arcadia stores in 2006? Or 2007? Or 2008? Or 2009? Or any day before May 6th 2010? This is purely Labour’s problem that you did not want to protest whilst Labour were in power. Why is that?

Similarly you might like to explain your issue with Vodafone which goes back to a 2000 takeover transaction. You might have an argument with HMRC who agreed a settlement with Vodafone but you have none whatsoever with Vodafone. Again Labour’s problem.

If you try to stop a business trading on one of the busiest days of the year you can only really do this by physical force. It is a form of bullying or thuggery because even by passively sitting in front of a till you are using physical force and defying your opponent to use physical force move you. Picketing is similarly confrontational.

As I am sure you are well aware Labour’s deficit reduction planning would have taken £60 billion out of government spending as opposed to the Tories’ £80 billion. Can you explain the moral difference?

Phil

Anyone would think from reading some of these contributions, that David Cameron was Prime Minister for the last 13 years.

He wasn’t. Gordon Brown and Tony Blair held that position and can take the blame for the hole we are in now.

Mr Doyle, did you help them during election time. If you did, then take responsibility for your contribution

The Philip Green issue was brought back into the spotlight by his appointment to head a review of the government’s drive to cut public spending in August.

I, nor anyone else involved in a ukuncut protest has trashed anything. To say this is purely Labours problem really misses the point, this issue affects every single person in the country and it cannot be laid at the feet of any particular party. Especially when the three main parties are so enamoured and in awe of big business and Billionaires, that they are terrified to take any action on tax avoidance.

I certainly did protest when Labour were in power mainly in 2003 against the Iraq war, but unfortunately for the British soldiers and Iraqi civilians who lost their lives the political class refused to listen to our entirely peaceful protest.

Many in of the tax inspectors in HMRC did fight Vodafone all the way to the high court, until their boss Dave Hartnett cooked up a cosy little deal. This private eye article explains it

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=in_the_back&issue=1275

As you can see from the article the tax dodge is ongoing Vodafone continue to use Luxemborg as a funnel for profits made in the UK. It may be hard to prove that this is illegal, but it is very easy to see it is morally and ethically wrong, everyone of us little people who earn our money in the UK pay tax on it, why should Vodafone not. It would be very easy to pass legislation that would put a stop to this use of tax havens which would bring billions into the coffers of the treasury.

Yet this government wants to crack down on benefit fraud and is increasing funding to the DWP to allow them to do this, at the same time as cutting funding and jobs in HMRC. Benefit fraud costs us £3bn a year money taken by the poorest people, Tax evasion (just the illegal one) £15bn money taken by the richest people. Not only would it more fair to go after the tax dodgers it would also be much more profitable, so why do the government not do it? If they were truly committed to reducing the deficit, if they really believed ‘we are all in this together’, then they would close the tax gap but instead they punish the poorest for the sins of the richest.

Labour’s deficit reduction plan would have been just as misguided and nonsensical as the Tory’s. Firstly I think we should establish thet this country is not on the brink of bankruptcy as George Osborne would like to have us believe. Public sector debt here is 65% of GDP, in 1945 when we founded the welfare state and NHS our public sector debt was 250% of GDP. To give an international comparison Japan’s debt has been at 200% of GDP for nearly 20 years and they are still able to maintain a very good standard of living. So the idea we are in a fiscal emergency on a national level is wrong and the misinformation propagated by Osborne on this has been shameful.

What we do have and this has not changed since 2008 is a very serious problem in our financial sector, our fractional reserve banking system has failed, we propped it up in 2008, but the under lying problems remain. The total assets of the UK banking sector are 550% of GDP or somewhere near £12,000,000,000,000. Banks are only asked to hold capital reserves of 8%, many do not and have reserves less than 8%, so we can safely assume that 95% of their asset book is Loans, our money they do not have. This shows us how massively exposed our banking system still is to financial shocks, if Ireland had refused the recent bailout ( it only passed by 82 votes to 80 in the Dail) and defaulted then we would have witnessed a second banking collapse in the UK. Of course with the spectre of collapse hanging over Spain and Portugal now, our banking sector is exposed to these two countries as well. We have had two years to tackle the weakness at the heart of our economy, we have done nothing, no attempt to reduce the size of our bloated banks, no attempt to separate the crucial retail side from the poisonous investment side, no attempt to stop the game of financial Russian roulette being played everyday.

I few suggestions to reduce the deficit.

1. A financial transaction tax of 0.05% sometimes called the Robin Hood tax. http://robinhoodtax.org/

2. A land tax in the old Georgist sense, one the biggest landowners would contribute to, The Queen, duke of Westminister, The COE and Catholic Church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism

3. A climate new deal, government investment in the economy to grow new carbon neutral technologies, that will grow the economy and increase tax revenue.

4. Close the tax gap, end the special status given to non doms in the UK, end the tax haven status of Jersey, Guernsey, British virgin Islands and make the super rich like Philip Green contribute fairly to the society that allows them to become super rich.

I don’t have faith in any particular party. It is sad to say but your all as bad as each other, some policies are good and some bad. The trouble is you can’t be perfect because there will always be a group of people/individuals affected by it – Some will gain and some will lose. So I do what a lot of people in the UK do – I don’t vote.

As far as im concerned I do my bit for society. I donate to charitable organisations, I try and be a good member of society where I can, I don’t break the law (apart from going over the speed limit every now and then) and I contribute £35k+ in actual taxes each year which I don’t particularly see the benefit of in terms of returns. I’m not married, I don’t have kids and I don’t claim any benefits.

On the riots/protests – I think the students have a right to protest and I agree in principle with why they are doing it. However I don’t agree with attacking Royal cars or defacing historical monuments – especially of someone who ultimately gave the protesters the opportunity to protest in the first place! Everyone knows that the protests are going to get violent and guaranteed every single one of them going forward will have a level of violence attached to them. Don’t want to get caught up in it? Don’t go. You don’t get hit over the head with a police baton for innocently walking down the street? It hasn’t happened to me in 30 years and I have been on protest marches and as far as im aware none of my friends have had a policeman randomly charge at them with a shield and baton. One of my best friends is policeman and he sadly hates the general public – his reasons stem from the fact that he has to clear up the mess – the stabbings, the crashed cars, robberies and the drunk and disorderly and all they ever get is grief.

Take the police away and see where we end up then.

People are being attracted to London because of these outbursts and sadly young kids are joining up to the groups because it looks exciting – lets see how they feel when they get run over by a horse or end up being trampled by their fellow protesters.

Noel,

You do talk the biggest load of nonsense.

If Green was wrong you should have been protesting for five years. Green is just your excuse. The left are going to go for the Coalition regardless in way that they did not go for Labour – on the streets. Because the ends justify the means always with you people the truth can be trampled without your moral compass being troubled.

Your understanding of debt is very weak. In the current year we are paying £44 billion in debt interest and before the budget it was due to go up to £67 billion by 2014/5. If we could eliminate our debt there would have to be no cuts! It has been widely agreed that Osborne’s tough budget has kept interest rates low. Letting debt rip would have seen interest rates spiralling and we would have had to find £10 billions in additional interest payments.

When you talk about the NHS you forget, as all socialists do, that the NHS was created by appropriating the property of local authorities and charities. The existing health infrastructure was simply stolen from its owners. You might like to explain why, if the NHS was so great, that between 1939 and 2010 the UK’s 2nd biggest city (Birmingham) had no new hospital for 71 years? How was the original built? Did the NHS not see the need for additional provision in Birmingham beyond what was already put in place before the NHS? Ah!

By the time we have sold the UK government’s bank shares I confidently predict that the UK government will have made a profit out of the bank bail out. Our main and only problem is that our state is borrowing £150 billion per year to pay the bills. This is the equivalent of every UK taxpayer adding £5K a year to their credit cards. In one year. We did the same last year.

I note that 3 out of 4 of your suggestions for balancing the books involve stealing from other people. You are a true socialist. One involves large expense so I suspect that it would have the opposite effect to that which you seek.

Colm Costello

I have never voted Labour nor did ever help them in their election campaigns.

But do take into mind that the Tory party backed Labour in their deregulation of the financial system, backed them in making our whole economy reliant on a bloated city.

The Tory party also backed Labour’s public spending plans as well, to such an extent that when Howard Flight in 2005 suggested that the Tory’s would make cuts to spending he was forced out of his seat by Michael Howard.

The political differences between Labour and the Tory party are now so small you would need an Electron microscope to find them.

Phil Taylor

“I note that 3 out of 4 of your suggestions for balancing the books involve stealing from other people”

Just to clarify your comment here are you of the belief that all tax is theft?

A taxpayer

You say “I contribute £35k+ in actual taxes each year which I don’t particularly see the benefit of in terms of returns”

But later on in your post you say “Take the police away and see where we end up then.”

Well your tax money goes to pay for the police.

When you step out of house in the morning you step onto a reasonably clean pavement that you are capable of walking along, because people like you pay your tax we are capable of maintaining our society. To think the state does nothing for you unless you are on benefits, in hospital or using state education is wrong. Every time you turn on a tap or a light switch this is reliant on a infrastructure created by tax money, every time you drive down the road or get on a train these services only exist because we had the tax money to build them.

“gave the protesters the opportunity to protest in the first place!”

Winston Churchill gave nobody the right to protest. The right to protest was fought for by movements like the Chartists and Suffragettes, and those protesters who died in Manchester in 1817 or Derry in 1972. Every single democratic reform this country has seen had to be fought for with strikes and protest, reforms that Churchill and those around him fought at every turn.

I agree with you that to graffiti the statue is wrong, but as crimes go, our major issues of our times it is fairly insignificant. By Friday evening all the graffiti was gone and a tourist passing through the square would never know anything had happened.

“Everyone knows that the protests are going to get violent”

The protest on Thursday became ‘violent’ as a reaction to being unlawfully imprisoned (kettled) by the police. Even then the violence is of a very minor and low level, compare the pictures from Rome yesterday and Athens today to see what a violent protest looks like. Nobody in London brought weapons with which to injure police officers and from what I have seen in all the footage, not once was any police officer put under threat of being injured. The police motive for the last three times they have Kettled has not been that the protest has turned violent but that a ‘breach of the peace had occurred’, a vague term that they can turn to fit almost any situation. Being imprisoned like this without having broken any law, has a tendency to get some people pissed off and they react to that, this is generally when the pushing and shoving starts. The only weapons at these protests which can injure people are the police truncheons, which is borne out by Alfie Meadows who was lucky to escape with his life.

“You don’t get hit over the head with a police baton for innocently walking down the street?”

I assume you have seen the footage of Ian Tomlinson ‘innocently walking down the street’, when he is pushed in the back by PC Harwood. Or Jean Charles de Menizes who got seven bullets in him for ‘walking innocently down the street’. I agree with you of course we need a police force, nobody can seriously argue otherwise, but we also need a police force that can be held accountable for its actions.

“Don’t want to get caught up in it? Don’t go.”

Everybody in this country has a democratic right to protest and the police are duty bound to facilitate peaceful protest. Instead of locking everybody in together, at the first sign of trouble to let all those who want to go, go, you would be left with a much smaller more manageable crowd, allowing the police to make any arrests they wish to make.

Anyway the best way to stop protest is to not to impose unjust unfair policies on the poorest people in society.

Noel,

Apologies im busy working so ill be brief.

I fully understand where my tax money goes. What I said was I/PERSONALLY don’t see the benefit/return of my financial contribution to society. It is my understanding that every single person in the UK gets the same luxuries with regards to pavements, roads, infrastructure etc regardless of how much tax they pay – You and I for instance both get exactly the same level of service and ill be surprised if you can come up with an additional benefit that I receive? Outside of taxes I pay £4000 for my train to work, just to get to a job that allows me to contribute in taxes!! Which additionally contributes for maintenance of the railway line. I additionally pay for the tube pass that contributes to London underground. I additionally pay hundreds of pounds in council tax that pays for my local roads and pavements to be maintained. My point is, I think it is fair to say that I contribute to other peoples standard of living.

So like I said…I do my bit for society.

Like I said – I agree with the protesters but I guarantee you that all the protesting/rioting/graffiti will not make the slightest bit of difference. The fees are going up regardless. If it makes you feel better I don’t particularly like paying tax but you wont see me smashing windows at HMRC or HMT.

The ‘take the police ‘ away statement was said because everyone seems to complain about them all the time and I was being sarcastic because we all know that it would be a worse place without them. Trust me, im fully aware that my taxes pay for the police to control the protests.

So its ok to graffiti the walls as long as it gets wiped off (tax payers money) the next day and nobody sees it? So I guess its ok to give my girlfriend a black eye as long as I lock her in a room for a few days until it goes away and nobody sees it? That doesn’t exactly make it right.

If you don’t think Churchill had a pretty major part to play in the luxuries and freedom of speech that we have today then I think you’re slightly deluded. I’d say that was a pretty big turning point in our history.

None of the protesters turned up armed? I guess you missed the bricks being thrown and the fences being levelled and charged at the police? There were issues on both sides but don’t make out like it was a totally peaceful daisy parade by the protesters.

With regards to Ian and Jean – agreed but im sure you will agree it is a pretty rare occurrence and can you imagine how bad it would have been if Jean had been a bomber and had detonated it on the tube and the police hadn’t of reacted? Oh the outcry!!!

When you say ‘Anyway the best way to stop protest is to not to impose unjust unfair policies on the poorest people in society’ – life isn’t equal and it isn’t fair and you cannot keep everyone happy.

Noel, I am struggling to see your point of view. I always take all opinions in to consideration, but you sound as if this form of protesting is a level of entertainment for you, as opposed to your heart felt political views.

I am deeply offended at your comments around W Churchill, that man did more for this country then any of the grotty scum who protested with you, will ever manage to do. Half of the people who protested aren’t really interested in what they are protesting against, they are simply not working, or can’t be bothered to go to another boring lecture.

Noel ‘By the time we have sold the UK government’s bank shares I confidently predict that the UK government will have made a profit out of the bank bail out.’ – Is this such a bad thing?? If our country can manage to draw a positive from a very bad scenario, then I’m all for it.

and

Noel ‘‘wonderful’ political awakening’. Hardly Noel, you are being followed by a bunch of lazy students who have decided that rather then watching X factor this week, they will protest and then watch X-Factor on ITV catch up player..

Do you really think that if you continue the way that you are, you are going to make a difference and have a positive outcome?

PS
Labour till I die!

Taxpayer

I see your point now you want your extra contribution to the tax system to make your life better than those who pay less tax. Well this is the complete opposite to why we have a tax system and a welfare state, they exist so those more fortunate contribute to improve the lives of the less fortunate. You are right to say your tax contribution does improve the standard of living of other people in the same way your contribution to charity improves the lives of others. In the tax free utopia that Phil Taylor would have us live in, so much of us would donate to charity we would not need a welfare state, but this a fantasy, charity can never replace the welfare state.

I would like you think of a country where you and others like you did not make this tax contribution, do you think it would be a better place to live. Ok you would have an extra £30 or £40,000 a year, but the likelihood is you would have to spend this putting a large security fence around your house, as the rich in places like Thailand do. You would probably have to pay for a armed security team to patrol your local area, as the rich do in South Africa. Large areas of the country would become no go areas for the police and normal citizens as happens all over South America.

As you probably know I have spent some time in Thailand recently, which is a very rich country where tax contributions are small and there is no welfare state. Now when you are in the more affluent, tourist areas it can be the most delightful country, but scratch the surface just a little and life for most Thais is hard and brutal. Every street corner has a beggar usually they are either blind, disabled or mentally handicapped, I am happy to pay my tax in the UK so we do not have a society like this. All over Asia young children sell their bodies to put food on the tables of their families, it is the welfare state that prevents this happening here.

I am one of the more fortunate members of our society as well, I am quite happy for my tax money to improve the lives of people who are not as lucky as me.

Noel

I sincerely apologise for suggesting that you ever voted for Labour in your life and understand why anyone would be upset if they had been accused of such a thing.

However having read what you have said here, it is clear that you are a socialist. Your solutions to the deficit problem would probably make the problem worse. Where is the evidence that these solutions work? How much would each measure raise?

If tax avoidance costs us £15bn pa, do you really believe that it is possible to have a system where you can eliminate avoidance altogehter?

As far as your attitude to the riots is concerned, can you tell me how many of Ealing’s police had to leave Ealing to help out in central London?

Do you think residents in Ealing would be happy to hear that most of their officers were nowhere near them should they have been victims of crime while the riots were on.

You clearly couldn’t care less because the safety of the people of Ealing or anyone else is not something that concerns you very much.

Your goal appears to be to do whatever damage you can to this new government.

Colm,

I can answer your police numbers question. Ealing has been sending 100 officers to central London each time one of these major demos has occurred. Normally the response teams can only muster about 50 officers across all of Ealing for a shift so we are talking about talking about a significant diminution of our police numbers to police these events.

Noel

I never said I wanted a better life or deserved a better life than those who pay less tax. I asked you what benefit I get for my money. Who helps me pay my mortgage and bills? I’ll answer – nothing/nobody.

I have no issues with contributing to the tax system but if you want to bring other countries into it with regards to security and police etc then why don’t you go to uni over in Thailand? I’m sure the fees are cheaper.

Gotta go I’m doing 2 hours in my local soup kitchen now.

Merry Xmas.

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